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On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 5:58 PM, victor martinez <vicmarcal at hotmail.com>wrote:
> June Meeting Minutes
>> 2011-06-28
> 19:05 UTC
> Fezile IRC Server, #meeting
>> Participants
> =============
> - Jan_Blomqvist_Kinander
> - Igor_Paliychuk
> - MfldElton
> - Usurp
> - Aleksey_Bragin
> - Thomas_Faber
> - Giannis_Adamopoulos
> - Thomas_Faber
> - Johannes_Anderwald
> - Timo_Kreuzer
> - Olaf_Siejka
> - Jerome_Gardou
> - Gabriel_Ilardi
> - Andrew_Green
> - Javier_Fernandez
> - Victor_Martinez
> - Amine_Khaldi
> - Claudiu_Mihail
> - Colin_Finck
> - Rafal_Harabien
> - Sylvain_Petreolle
> - Matthias_Kupfer
> - Danny_Goette
> - Maciej_Bialas
> - Ged_Murphy
> - Ziliang_Guo
> - Art_Yerkes
> - Cameron_Gutman
> - Neeraj_Yadav
> - Herve_Poussineau
> - Daniel_Reimer
> - James_Tabor
> - Olaf_Siejka
> - Samuel_Serapion
> - Pierre_Schweitzer
> - Alex_Ionescu
> - Gabriel_Ilardi
>> Proceedings
> ============
> ○ Meeting called to order at 19:05 UTC by Aleksey Bragin.
> ○ ReactOS Project coordinator Aleksey Bragin listed the points of the
> proposed agenda for June meeting:
> 1. Cmake switching
> 2. Next ReactOS release
> 3. Website revamp status
> 4. GSoC status
> 5. Developers status reports
> The Minute Taker rol was given to Victor_Martinez for this meeting.
>> ○ Point 1: CMake switching
> --------------------------------------------
> ■ The ReactOS developer Timo gave a quick sum up about CMake status:
> He reported that the CMake build is more or less ready, currently missing
> rosapps. He stated that rosapps are not a major problem as they're rarely
> used, and cmake files for them can be done if needed.
> He also mentioned a problem, confirmed by Igor_Paliychuk, related to
> booting in real hardware, in addition to the winmm:mci regression.
> The problem detected in real hardware is very specific to the hardware
> combination thus hard to test.
> ■ Amine mentioned that several comparative tests have been done through
> buildbot/testman between the rbuild build and the CMake build, showing no
> measurable differences. He also stated that the CMake port shouldn't be
> considered done yet, as it still lacks many planned features.
> He highlighted some of the CMake patches,made by Jerome, to be sent
> upstream, like the PCH support and its related dependency tracking, and also
> the benefits of using CMake to compile ros, like the improved performance,
> the small disk space needed for builds (half of what the rbuild builds
> require) and the cool new kdbg features.Gabriel_Ilardi expressed his concers
> about merging more code in the current trunk situation. Timo replied that no
> code merge is needed,in case of switching to Cmake.
> ■ Timo, Colin and Aleksey asked about measuring the CMake build
> performance over the rbuild build in numbers. Jerome performed a quick
> benchmark:
> First test: makex ntoskrnl (all clean, toold already built). Cmake: 04:06 ,
> Rbuild: 04:55 (17% faster)
> Second test: rebuild (only dependencies check). Cmake: 0:28 , Rbuild: 1:04
> (56% faster)
> The benchmark shows Cmake is faster not only for a full compilation but
> also recompiling (ntoskrnl) modules.
> ■ The ReactOS Cmake Team suggested to begin using Cmake with current RosBE
> to compile ReactOS ISOs in order to assure they are as good as Rbuild’s.
> A "How to compile with Cmake" tutorial can be found in the following
> wikipage: http://reactos.org/wiki/Cmake
> Summing up, the Cmake switch will bring better dependency checking, fast
> rebuild of single modules and much better symbols support in kdbg according
> to the ReactOS Cmake Team
> The technical description was left to be discussed in #reactos-dev, if
> anyone was interested.
>> ○ Point 2 : Next ReactOS release
> --------------------------------------------------------
> ¦ReactOS release was the 2nd point of the June meeting agenda.
>> ■ Gabriel_Ilardi and Victor_Martinez were asked to report current trunk
> state from Compatibility/Stability point of view.
> Accordingly to forum threads, Bugzilla new entries, and Own testing,Gabriel
> and Victor said important regressions have been introduced due the latest
> changes, and mainly the LDR rewrite.
> Wrong icons, impossibility to shutdown, AC97 hang, several installers/apps
> failing are some of those important regressions.
> ■ Art_Yerkes has been giving a look at the AC97 bug, he was able to gather
> a lot of information about the regression and asks for collaboration to fix
> it.
> ■ Aleksey_Bragin, as the author of the LDR rewrite, stated that he knew
> the new LDR could introduce regressions but that it is a big step forward.
> The top priority is fixing those LDR regressions, instead of reverting, as
> the old LDR was indeed worse.
> Aleksey remarks that he needs every dev to take a look at the LDR bugs and
> try to fix them.
> The LDR regressions should be really easy to fix thanks to the rewrite, he
> said.
> ■ Amine_Khaldi suggested to decide when it is time to release performing
> bugfixing and full regression testing.
> ■ The idea of performing full regression tests now was inmediatly rejected
> by Colin_Finck and Olaf_Siejka since bug reports are currently showing that
> our trunk is in a really bad shape. Due to this, the Release discussion will
> be on hold until the next meeting.
> During this month ReactOS devs are suggested to focus in bugfixing mainly
> the LDR code.
> As these bugs are critical and able to hide other minors regressions, a
> special call is being made:
>> ****************Special Call****************
> "Please pick a bug from the linked ones in
> http://reactos.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=6346 "
> ****************Special Call****************
>> ○ Point 3 : Website Revamp Status
> -------------------------------------------------------
> ¦ Thanks to Colin's help, a new playground with correct permissions and
> tied to an SVN branch has been created.
>> ■ Niski and aross, main webrevamp developers, have been focused on
> Bugzilla and Mediawiki integration, compatdb drupal port, and forum.
> Forum will have new features as "the best answer" and "karma" modules which
> will improve forum users experience.
> ■ Niski has completed the work on Bugzilla and Mediawiki while aross is
> working on compatdb and the new forum.
> ■ Right now, Amine said, a design/layout work is needed in parallel.
> ■ Colin_Finck stated that finding a designer among ReactOS developers is
> more difficult than findind a developer so he offered himself to help with
> the design/layout.
>> ○ Point 4: Gsoc status
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ■ AndrewGreen is currently cleaning a mixture of explorer_new, atl com
> and browseui code. The resultant code will be commited afterwards.
> Although he recognizes his project is behind schedule, after apologizing he
> says he’s confident to meet the goals by midsemester evaluation.
> Ged_Murphy cpp shell32 code will allow him to use atl com for everything
> shell related.
> Colin_Finck and Olaf_Siejka discussed the best way to test the new
> implementation to check for any possible regressions, due to the fact that
> Ged was not around the discussion was postponed.
> Jerome_Gardou asked Andrew about the WINE Shell32 Gsoc project but
> accordingly to Olaf, Wine has refused to cooperate regarding those.
> Status: Behind Schedule.
>> ■ Giannis_Adamopoulos was too busy with exams so his project was parked a
> little. His commits will raise up when the last exam is done.
> Status: On time
>> ■ Claudiu_Mihail thanked the great help of Cameron_Gutman and Art_Yerkes.
> The project is set to meet the deadlines for midterm.
> There are still two problems remaining: browsers don't work(it will be
> solved by midterms), slowness of the lwIP implementation.
> He has followed the test approach using several simple test apps and fixing
> revealed bugs.
> After finishing his thesis project, which is highly related to his Gsoc
> project,he will start commiting again.
>> ■ Neeraj_Yadav has divided his sound project in 5 parts.
> 1.[Finished] Writing a skeleton server which can hold the audio converter
> modules and the mixer modules ...This server should be capable of insertion
> in the reactos audio chain [4 weeks]
> 2.[Now] Writing mixer modules [2 weeks]
> 3.Writing audio converter [ 4 weeks]
> 4.Inserting this audio server in the reactos audio chain [1 week]
> 5.testing/styling/documentation [1 week]
> He expects to finish the 2nd step in midterm evaluation.
> Alex_Ionescu and Giannis_Adamopoulos asked for a way to test Neeraj code.
> If anyone is interested, this is the best way:
> 1)make audsrv && make audclient
> 2)run audsrv -n in one console
> 3)run audclient in other
> 4)open as many audclients as you want
> 5)the server should play a mixed sound
> Status: On time
>> ■ Thomas_Faber is finishing the main framework needed to run the tests.
> Most of the old tests have been ported and now he is currently working on
> getting special-purpose drivers and usermode test parts up and running.
> Lately he has been quite busy with a university project but he expects to
> commit the framework in these days.
> Status: On time
>> ■ Timo_Kreuzer has finished the font driver loading and now he is working
> on the font mapper, which is complex and needs a good design.
> Status: Ahead of time
>>> ○ Point 5: Developers status reports
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ■ Alex_Ionescu will help Aleksey commit his scater/gather DMA patch.
> ■ Alex_Bragin is working on remaining LDR code and afterwards he'll take
> part in processing bugzilla patches.
> ■ Amine_Khaldi is focused in cmake and the website revamp.
> ■ Art_Yerkes made some improvements to symbol handling in the cmake branch
> and now he’s working with Claudiu.
> ■ Colin_Finck has been trying the KDUSBCOM idea (KD DLL for debugging over
> an USB-to-Serial adapter), and he’s moving now to help with the website
> layout.
> ■ Daniel_Reimer is playing with Gcc builds and updating RosBE.He added
> Cmake support a while ago and he is still battling with GCC 4.6 and Wine RC
> files.
> ■ Gabriel_Ilardi is focused in mantaining Bugzilla and the forum and he’s
> performing some testing in his few spare time.
> ■ Ged_Murphy is helping with shell32 c++ fixup
> ■ Herve_Poussineau is currently inactive on ReactOS
> ■ James_Tabor is still working on bug report issues.
> ■ Jan_Blomqvist_Kinander will move the Fezile server to the concrete
> bunker creating a LAN behind Fezile to get automated tests on real hardware.
> ■ Johannes Anderwald will work in HID (Human Interface Devices for USB)
> support during the summer, a hard task as it is completly undocumented.
> ■ Maciej_Bialas is working on mediawiki integration for the new revamped
> site.
> ■ Matthias_Kupfer has been bugfixing and commiting some patches.
> ■ Pierre_Schweitzer has no time nor willingness right now. Once time will
> be back,he'll invest it in his summer student.Once willingness will be back,
> he'll keep on his current ReactOS work and help with the ReactOS
> infrastructure
> ■ Olaf_Siejka is waiting for Aleksey to finish the LDR code so he can team
> up with him to solve the remaining issues of sysreg4. After finishing the
> utf-8 resource conversion, he will get more involved in testing. He will
> also help with the hardware testbot from the buildbot side.
> ■ Sylvain_Petreolle is working on French translations.
> ■ Timo_Kreuzer is working on MSVC builds fixing several bugs that prevent
> ReactOS to reach the desktop.
> ■ Victor_Martinez has finished his exams recently and now he’s preparing a
> forum team to test the revision before the LDR rewrite and the one after it,
> this way it'll be easier to find regressions. Also he will help with the
> revamp webpage.
>> ○ Point 6: Suggestions
> ---------------------------
> ■ Jan_Blomqvist_Kinander suggested to create a ReactOS annual bootcamp
> with devs, testers and fanatics plus having a look at SAMBA 4 - ROS port
>> ○ Meeting closed at 22:08 UTC by Colin Finck on behalf of Aleksey Bragin.
> ○ Minutes written by Víctor Martínez.
> ○ Reviewed by Amine_Khaldi, and Gabriel_Ilardi
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